More than 100 cartons stolen in five break-ns

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This bro would get a high-five from me if we met each otha in the streets. This is probaly the smartest robber I heard of since April when the increase in cig robberies began.

I'd probably whistle if those were 100 port cartons.

The only way we can stop cig heists is by making tobacco affordable again, Think the states like dat idea? LOL at those holes!

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The Property Rights Newsletter September 18, 2009 - Issue #540 "Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens." - William Beveridge

An Absence of Tobacco Evidence. By Patrick Basham, Cato Institute. The government knew that this claim, and the evidence that it was based on, was not true. Recently released DoH correspondence shows that the government was told in a March 2009 email that removing tobacco displays in Canada 'has not caused a decline in tobacco sales or discourage[ed] kids from smoking'. Yet, the anti-tobacco lobby continues to push for even more far-reaching tobacco control legislation. This past week, Action on Smoking & Health (Ash) trumpeted a new study about the influence of tobacco packages as proof that putting all tobacco products in plain packages was now required. Ash's Deborah Arnott told the BBC that: "This research shows that the only way of putting an end to this misleading marketing is to require all tobacco products to be sold in plain packaging." What Arnott did not tell the BBC was that she and Martin Dockrell, Ash's campaign manager, were not only two of the authors of the very study they so fulsomely praised, but Ash, along with the DoH, paid for the study. Global Tobacco Control Will Be Exposed. Former tobacco control frontman David Goerlitz has published further exposure of the corruption and appalling practices that continue to jeopardise the tobacco control industry. From The Mailbag Budget, Avis Rental Cars: Beginning Oct. 1, Avis and Budget will become the first major rental-car companies to ban smoking in their entire North American fleets and to impose a cleaning fee of up to $250 on customers who smoke in the cars. CA: Jury orders Philip Morris to pay $13.8 million to Bullock. FL: Hav-A-Tampa shuts its factory and lays off about 495 employees, closing a factory that has been operating since 1902. NY: Bloomberg says NO and backs away from park ban idea. PA: IPCPR Urges Lawmakers, Governor to Reduce Spending. WA: Spokane says NO. Park Board has reversed its springtime decision to phase in an outright ban on smoking in parks. Croatia: Says NO and smoking ban is watered down by the govt. UK: Smokers Rights News and articles from Freedom2Choose.

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I saw a recent petition today

I see someone within the groups is trying to get an offline petition going within her home state of Kansas. Kansas is likely entertaining the idea of their own statewide smoking ban. And this activist's argument is basically "Kansas ca't call it a smoking ban if they don't ban tobacco and ALL otha products with nic. Includng nic gum/patches."

I don't agree with the idea of banning tobacco outright as a smoker. Cause even if it was banned, people would do what it takes to get cigs anyway. Even if it meant going as far as growing their own tobacco.

HOWEVER, I DO agree a state can't call somethang a "smoking ban" if the state still allows sales of tobacco products. If you gonna ban smoking in places, what's the freakin point of selling tobacco and Nicroette?

Of course, it's all about smokers filling up the politicians' pockets with moolah via tobacco taxes. Smoking bans are supposed to stop new people (and kids) from starting smoking. Well, as long as tobacco/nic sales remain legal, there's NO WAY any anti is gonna see fewer people starting smoking. Not when kids can still buy packs. Banning sales would be a TRUE smoking ban. But serious smokers will still find way to get "illegal cigs," believe me. ;)

NYC: Smoking ban in parks?

I thought NYC had a smoking ban in parks all along since their bans in general started first before the smoking bans in IL started.

It's a lil funny Chicago implemented a smoking ban in parks first before NYC. Bloomnerd is a diehard antimoker, and he waited this long to even entertain the idea of smoke-free parks? hee hee

Smoking bans in parks are very un-American to put it nicely. To put it in the way I normally think, a smoking ban in parks ain't gonna stop me! I've seen people still smoke in parks in my community. And then when the damn cops see "us", they'll force EVERYONE to leave. But when those mothas leave the area, we just go back in there and smoke once the holes are outta our sight. The nonsmokers in the park usually don't snitch. But the COPS must love looking at parks in the street. You can't stop ANYONE from smoking in an OUTDOOR park unless there are hidden cams all over the park.

I wonder if cops would do the same thang (as they do to us) if they saw smokers with cigs in parks on the NORTH side of the city.

Anyway, this NYC-based article includes comments and a poll.

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NYC: Smoking ban in parks being considered

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Nanny State? Health Dept. considering smoking ban in parks
BY Adam Lisberg
DAILY NEWS CITY HALL BUREAU CHIEF

Updated Monday, September 14th 2009, 5:22 PM

Under a new Health Department plan smoking would be banned in all public parks. Take our PollNanny State?
Do you think smoking should be banned in public parks?

Yes, it's a filthy habit that ruins even outdoor spaces.
No, it's open space.
I'm not sure.

"We don't think it's too far to say that people shouldn't be smoking in parks," Health Commissioner Tom Farley said Monday.

Mayor Bloomberg unveiled the plan in the morning but later backed away in the face of criticism.

He said Monday night, "It may not be logistically possible to enforce a ban across thousands of acres, but there may be areas within parks where restricting smoking can protect health."

But smokers in city parks fumed at the idea.

"It's really ridiculous," said retired bar owner Ronald Carey, 63, who was smoking on a bench in Cadman Plaza Park in downtown Brooklyn.

"I'm not going to support smoking, but things have gotten out of hand," Carey said. "What's next?"

At Flushing Meadows-Corona Park in Queens, John Villani of Mendham, N.J., puffed a cigar on a bench near the Unisphere.

"If I'm not bothering anyone, I should be able to smoke," said Villani, 48, who came to the city for the U.S. Open.

Bloomberg earned his cigarette-hunter image by banning smoking in city bars and restaurants in 2002, an initially unpopular move that was later copied around the world.

"We have not decided on a single strategy for reducing secondhand smoke in our parks," said mayoral spokesman Stu Loeser.